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Mutant?

The reference of his mutation is in Cloak and Dagger Vol 3 #19. I read through the issue with a fine tooth comb, they had latent abilities which was triggered when they came in close proximity towards one another and by the drug, and D'Spayre only gave them light and dark forms to enhance their already genetic talents. Even Tandy's father has an X-Gene. So I think this should be open for more discussion. Professor X asked them to join his school in a early issue of New Mutants when his Cerebro device he was using to look for Sam and the others pick up the New Mutants signatures plus Cloak and Daggers. -- Gijimu (talk) 05:25, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Cloak and Dagger Vol 4 #1 explicitly states neither Cloak nor Dagger are mutants.
--Gipdac (talk) 06:05, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
Gidpac is right. I know that C&D have had more retcons and jumbled origins than any character around, but the latest info has put them as non-mutants. --Spencerz (talk) 14:14, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Doctor Nemesis was very ambiguous about his results because the way he is written comes off as a very cynical person. Dagger said that Beast could give them a more accurate test by checking samples from their bone marrow which is also stated in Cloak and Dagger Vol 4 #1. So if they are going to be classified as non-mutants for now thats cool, just to give a confirmed speculation wait until Phase 2 of the Marvel Now comes out especially after Battle of the Atom, Nemesis isnt always right :) -- Gijimu (talk) 19:13, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Material to Rework

Moving two large blocks of text from the article to the talk page, as they are not written in an encyclopedic manner, and are not entirely sourced. If sourced, they can be re-written into the appropriate parts of the article. --Spencerz (talk) 04:52, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

  • Cloak and Dagger have a long and convoluted backstory, full of details that were later contradicted by writers who'd (understandably?) not fully researched them. Here are some of the many tidbits of C&D continuity that seem to have been lost to antiquity:
    • The hunger for 'light' that Cloak feels isn't actually an aspect of his connection to the Darkforce Dimension, but some sort of link to a demonic creature in the Darkforce known only as the Predator. The Predator must feed on the light of the living or it weakens and dies, and injuring the Predator causes Cloak to feel pain too.[1]
    • Cloak's powers have a variety of nuances that are rarely referenced. Tyrone Johnson stutters, but Cloak does not, which is actually an aspect of his powers. He has deeper vocal qualities, an enhanced vocabulary, he grows in height, his skin becomes vaguely similar to petrified wood (or at least it used to; he used to be drawn to look more inhuman), and he is apparently immortal, or at least unhindered by death from "natural causes."
    • It's unknown how much of Cloak's powers come from him, and how much from his cloak. His cloak seems to have powers all its own, and has been passed down to other people who then become linked to the Darkforce. Cloak once met an old man who had possessed the cloak before him, but it'd appeared more like an opera coat at the time. Tyrone also lost the Cloak to Ecstacy twice, and it reformed as a shredded collection of prehensile tendrils. Whoever wears the cloak seems to feel the hunger for light that the Predator causes, so the cloak itself may be connected to the Predator.
    • The biggest clichés in Cloak and Dagger stories: (1) They lose their powers, and then get them back later; (2) their powers are altered; (3) Cloak does something passive-aggressive to try to keep Dagger close to him, and it screws things up; (4) Cloak's powers go out of control; or (5) their powers are given to other people. Writers have trouble using the two characters without rehashing one or several of these clichés.
    • Their mutants status keep coming and going (Please consult the notes of this page for more information.
  • The mutant status of Cloak and Dagger are very controversial, and has moved over the years:
    • Cloak and Dagger Vol 3 stated them to be mutants, and was full-titled "The Mutant Misadventures of Cloak and Dagger".
    • The Civil War Battle Damage Report, among other sources,[2] stated that the drug giving them powers in fact triggered latent mutant powers.[3]
    • When Norman Osborn came to recruit them for his X-Men, they stated they weren't mutants (to what Osborn replied they were seen as such although).[4]
    • Cloak and Dagger were 'confirmed' by Doctor Nemesis as NOT being mutants[5]. But Dagger did mention that there was other more extensive tests that can be done on their bone marrow to indicate if they possess an X-Gene, which was suggested by Beast.[5]


I agree on the fact some of those things should be/also be on other parts, but some of those really need to be kept from an outsider point of view, including the imprecision regarding their mutant status. In fact, the part who need the most to be moved from the notes to the history text is the only one you left back. Undoniel (talk) 08:28, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
I feel like the information about the "Are They/Aren't They?" status of Cloak and Dagger as mutants has a place in the article, as does the information about Cloak and his Darkforce powers. However, these all need to be sourced, re-written in a proper encyclopedic fashion, and placed into the appropriate sections of the profile, not just shoe-horned into the notes section. --Spencerz (talk) 09:28, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
They are notes on him, they belong in the notes section. And most of the mutant or not information is sourced. Either way, nobody among regular users will ever look for such information on the talk page. Uncanny X-Factor (talk) 13:57, May 3, 2014 (UTC)Uncanny X-Factor

Cloak's father?

Does anyone have a reference for his real name? He is not named in any of his listed appearances. In C&D III #4, his son Otis is named, but not identified as a "Junior". He is also not named in 2008's OHOTMU A-Z #2. The only other possible reference I can see is from 2010's Heroic Age: Heroes profiles. Anyone have that? Monolith616 (talk) 00:29, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I reviewed Heroic Age: Heroes, and no reference to Tyrone's father's real name. I'm going to scrub the "Otis Johnson, Sr." name from the wiki and mark his page to be moved to "Mr. Johnson (Earth-616)" until/unless someone comes up with a reference for the name. Monolith616 (talk) 13:10, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

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