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Name change

Where was the name Francis Castiglione revealed? At what point did he start using the name Frank Castle and, most importantly, did he have his name legally changed? If his name was specifically legally changed, then according to naming conventions the correct title of the page is Frank Castle (Earth-616), not Francis Castiglione (Earth-616) (see Luke Cage). -- Supermorff 15:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

All too true. I put what was in the Real Name space in the move tag, so I don't know where it really came from.--Peteparker 05:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
He's dead?--Max 16:07, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

main image

ok guys, can you finally settle on what image you would like to have here? I really don't see the point in having it change three times a day.--edkaufman (talk) 22:48, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm happy with any of them, and would also like the picture changing to stop. The only reason I changed it the once was because the picture shown was for Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe which doesn't happen in Earth-616. I think the one up should stay because it is the most recent incarnation of Frank.--Thestew45122 22:51, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Sweet Jesus! Can we lock the picture or something?--Thestew45122 23:02, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

The page has been locked down for the moment. I would really like to hear from those involved as to what's going on?--edkaufman (talk) 19:07, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Why not use the Steve Dillon one? The one that's in the redirects page.--Scion of Balance 17:10, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

airborne training is jump school...

you don't learn to fly the plane, you learn to jump out of it. could somebody with the proper info please rewrite the information attached to "expert pilot"? i would do it, but i don't know where he learned to fly.

Steranko 04:26, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention…

…he served for 4 years, in combat, and 8 years total service? When was there time—if it were even a thing for an 11A/11B, 18X, or 0302 to even go through aviator's flight training—the basic Army aviation course is 43 weeks long, for rotor craft, and the Navy/Marine fixed aviation training totals at 104 weeks, not including ROTC/OCS, any prior enlistment time, Officer Basic to get his butter bar, Officer advanced course when he made Captain... When did he have time for all this extra training and his tours of combat? And, he was supposedly "point man"... for a Marine "Special Operations Unit as a point man"? Setting aside the fact that Infantry officers don't literally take point, being Force Recon adds 3 months in Boot Camp, three months in Basic Infantry Training, 2 months in Advanced Combat Training, 2 months in Basic Reconnaissance Course, 2 months in Scout Sniper Basic Course. Add in transition time between courses and mandatory leave and you're up to over a year of training, pre-combat, if he were just enlisted and not a commissioned officer. Add another year+ of training as a commissioned officer and 2–4 years prior to that in college ROTC or at a 2 or 4-year military academy, another 2 years earning a Master's Degree to make Captain (O3). Then, for all of this extra flight training... 2–3 more years. Then several MONTHS of jump school, jump master school, Air Assault school, diving training... And, he only served from '68–'76? He'd LITERALLY have spent his ENTIRE time in service in training and he'd never have seen any combat. When would he have earned the supposed "Medal of Honor, the Navy Cross, 3 times the Silver Star and Bronze Stars, 4 times the Purple Heart, and the Presidential Medal of Freedom"? And that was all supposedly for his first tour of duty? Not even with the benefit of Super-Soldier Serum would the math work, here.
Khaaaaan! (talk) 08:54, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Marital Status

Now that Franks wife is resurrected he will be considered widower or married and she?

I'd consider him a widower still, and her a widow. Technically, marriage is "until death do us part", so since she's died (and he has too), they're probably not legally married anymore...
Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talkcontribsemail) 15:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

"lets put Affiliation in order"

Marvel Knights Volume 2 was released in 2002.

Heroes for Hire Volume 3 was released in 2010.

Since he's currently a member of Thunderbolts, that should go before the list of "Formerly."

I suggest Affiliation looks like this:

Affiliation: Thunderbolts; Formerly: United States Marine Corps, Marvel Knights, Heroes For Hire, Secret Avengers (Civil War), Legion of Monsters, Code Red

BigSleep (talk) 19:57, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

Frank is clearly seen making a pact with the Devil (or another supernatural being) in 'Born' which is also inted at 'In the Beginning' Why isn't it mentioned in that section but in Notes.

The preceding unsigned comment was added by GeNuBo (talk • contribs).


Probably it's not extremely important to his history. If you believe it is relevant enough to be added, feel free to do so.
--The ADour-incible ADour (talk) 16:55, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

The Punisher Purgatory

The Purgatory plotline has generally been ignored by subsequent writers, in issue #1 of the "Welcome Back Frank" arc, writer Garth Ennis briefly acknowledges the Purgatory arc, but never explains how or why Frank regained his mortality, it doesn't go into detail at all. In a subsequent Letters column, a fan asked "what does the symbol on the Punisher's head mean?", to which the editor replied "It means 'mistake'." The Purgatory storyline also has it that Frank killed Frank Costa, the head of the mob who killed him family, but he never got the chance to kill him.

The preceding unsigned comment was added by Æ-202 (talk • contribs).


  • Yes, it has been ignored, but it was never retconned. Why was it excised from the page? Are we just going to pretend it never happened, even though it is and remains canon?
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Salkafar (talk • contribs).


We should add it to the page, and clarify it was ignored.
--The ADour-incible ADour (talk) 13:33, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • I see any reference to 'Purgatory' has been summarily removed again.
  • References to Purgatory (that I'm aware of) -- Lord Crayak (talk) 12:36, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
  1. The miniseries Revelation (the only other appearance of "Angel Frank").
  2. The monologue at the end of the first issue of Welcome Back, Frank, which explicitly mentions the deal the Council of Thrones offered him at the conclusion of Revelation.
Punisher: I caught a glimpse of heaven once. The angels showed me. The idea was I'd kill for them. Clean up their mistakes on Earth. Eventually redeem myself. Tried it. Didn't like it. Told them where to stick it. So they brought me up to heaven, to see what I'd be missing. A wife. A son. A daughter. I hadn't seen them since they bled out in my arms. Then I was cast down. Back to a world of killers. Rapists. Psychos. Perverts. A brand new evil every minute, spewed out as fast as men can think them up. A world where pitching a criminal dwarf off a skyscraper to tell his fellow scum you're back is a sane and rational act. The angels thought it would be hell for me. But they were wrong.
  1. Olivier's cameos in Nightcrawler Vol. 3, #1-4 (confirmed in a handbook) and the Devil's Advocacy in Fear Itself.
  2. Thunderbolts Vol. 2, #22:
Deadpool: The feather—it's like it knew you—like it wanted to be near you, to help you. But it's from an angel. Why would an angel feather care about you, Castle? You're the worst.
Punisher: I don't want to talk about it.
  1. Moon Knight Vol. 5, #10:
Khonshu: Just look at him, will you. Such style and grace. Wholesale slaughter and not a trace of whining. Brilliant.
Moon Knight: Anoint him then, if you're such a fan.
Khonshu: Alas, it is not to be. He belongs to another. See how he flies his lord's banner. How he appeases his master's appetite. Unlike some others I could mention.