Talk:Ymir (Earth-616)
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Good, but something fun you missed. Namely, in the Conan series, Ymir had a daughter named Atali. Since the Conan series forms a part of Earth-616 history, this bears mentioning.
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Ymir is the oldest and most powerful of the Frost Giants, a race of enormous humanoid creatures several hundred feet tall, and covered with snow and ice, and native to the dimension of Asgard. The Frost Giants origin is lost in antiquity; however, they are known to predate the gods of Asgard themselves. In fact, during Earth's Hyborian Age (after the sinking of Atlantis and before the Bronze Age, approximately 16,000 BCE to 8,000 BCE), Ymir served as one of the most prominent gods of Earth, alongside Crom, Mitra, and others. Ymir was worshipped as a god by the people of Nordheim, a civilization composed of the human Aesir of Aesgaard in the eastern portion and the human Vanir of Vanaheim in the western portion. Ymir served as their lord of storm and war, and chief of all their deities. Ymir's domain was in Valhalla, a snowy, shadowy place that was home to soldiers slain in battle; apparently similar to the later relationship between the Mount Olympus of Greece and the otherdimensional Olympus of Zeus, Ymir's Valhalla was apparently connected to the mountains of northern Vanaheim, perhaps by some sort of portal or nexus. In any event, Ymir's daughter Atali appeared to dying combatants as the harbinger of their journey to Ymir's realm. Not surprisingly, for the Vanir, war was a sacred duty waged in the name of Ymir.
According to the old sagas of these Vanir people, a city of vampires once established a city in Vanaheim from which they lured animals and men to their deaths. The Vanir people managed to serve justice to these vampires, and Ymir himself buried the city of the undead beneath a mountain of frozen rock. These vampires would not be freed until ages later, when they were defeated by the warrior priest Vitellus, who served the aforementioned god Mitra; Conan the famed Cimmerian warrior; and a Vanir woman named Kreenara. All three brandished the Mitran cross in one of the earliest recorded uses of the cross against a vampire.
Earlier, during one of the Cimmerian's adventures in Nordheim, Atali had once made the mistake of attempting to lure Conan to a brutal death at the hands of two of her brothers. Conan managed to slay her siblings, and Atali only saved herself by calling to her father to spirit her away. Conan, however, still managed to snatch off a piece of her gossamer dress as evidence of the encounter.
Later, probably at some point after the Hyborian Age, Ymir was supplanted by the younger gods Odin, Ville, and Ve. They slew him, set up a new kingdom in the otherdimensional Asgard (perhaps named after the Earthly Hyborian Age Aesgaard or having a common etymological root with its name), and came to be worshipped by the descendants of the peoples of Nordheim, who, after the catastrophe that ended the Hyborian Age, became the Vikings and other Germanic peoples. (It should also be noted that it has been established that the Asgardians experience perpetual Ragnaroks, starting at least with Odin's generation.)
(I wrote all of the above.)
Incidentally, per Quasar#18, a cosmic being called Origin manipulated the Asgardians into seeking out Earth.
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Enda80,
Firstly, welcome to the Database! Glad to have you aboard. You seem very knowledgeable about Olympian Gods and history...
We can certainly use your help. If you want to add what you know, add it to the article itself. With that said, the project as it stands currently pertains primarily to Earth 616, although including some universes such as Ultimate, 2099, and AoA. We would like to try and stay away as much as possible from Conan and the other unrelated stuff like the 'real-life' heroes stories they are doing right now about the American troops in Iraq.
In the future we may add support for this, but not at this time.
Again, welcome!
Jamie.
The Hyborian Age does not represent an alterante universe. The Hyborian Age takes place in the past of Earth-616. The Hyborian Age forms a part of the history of Earth-616, just as the Pre-Cataclysmic age does, or the Age of Camelot (King Arthur). So, may I truncate some of the above and mention it in passing.
There are numerous proofs that the Hyborian Age et al. forms a part of the history of Earth-616. This probably only scratches the surface.
1. Kull appears in a flashback in Tomb of Dracula I#26 2. Kull appears in a flashback in Doctor Strange III#11/2-as does Thulsa Doom, Morophla, Uathact, Red Sonja, and Conan 3. Valka, a Thurian god from the Kull stories, is mentioned in Fear#15. 4. Valka is mentioned in Doctor Strange III#33/2 5. Marvel Team-Up Annual#5 features Kull and Conan in flashbacks 6. Doctor Strange III#26/2 has a Conan cameo in flashback (confirmed in #31's letters page) 7. Punisher Annual#2 features a retelling of Savage Sword of Conan#40-43 and King Conan#4 as part of the history of the Serpent Crown 8. Uncanny X-Men Annual#13/3 features a Kull cameo 9. Omm, from CTB I#13, was mentioned in Marvel Team-Up I#111 10. Marvel Premiere#4-5 mentions the Serpent Men of Valusia 11. Conan appears briefly in FF I#405, confirmed by letters page to #410 12. In X-Force#23, Crule mentions Mitra-a Hyborian Era god. 13. Red Sonja meets Spider-Man in MTU I#79. 14. The Book of Skelos, a Hyborian Era tome, is mentioned in Avengers Annual#22/2. 15. The Watcher of Earth-616 was shown observing the Hyborian Age Earth during What If I#13, #39, #43, and II#16. 16. Thor Corps#3 mentions the Hyborian Age 17. Conan cameo in Avengers Forever#12 18. Conan cameo in Excalibur I#47 19. Shuma-Gorath, seen in Marvel Premiere#10, was mentiond in CTB I#85, and appeared in CTB I#259-260 (although in a different form, the letters page to #252 confirms this as same demon from Doctor Strange stories) 20. Kulan Gath appearances in modern era 21. Conan cameo in Incomplete Deaths' Head#11 22. Hyborian Age mentioned in Doctor Strange III#13/2 23. Hyborian Age mentions in Official Handbook entries for Set, Serpent Crown, Merlin, Zeus, Olympian Gods, Ulysses Bloodstone (Bloodstone entry mentions Vanaheim), Serpent Men (in #11 Appendix original), Darkhold, etc. 24. Solomon Kane battles Dracula in Dracula Lives#3-mentioned in Handbook Dracula entry 25. Solomon Kane's meeting with Frankensteins mentioned in Doctor Strange III#37 26. SSith's appearances 27. Marvel Saga#1 has brief Red Sonja/Conan cameo 28. Marvel Saga#3 has brief Kull cameo 29. Hyborian Age and Aquilonia referenced by Doctor Strange in Spider-Man:Lifeline mini-series. 30. Gorn of Valusia appeared in Avengers#212 31. Conan had a cameo in in issue of Man-Thing check Darmark's Index 32. Valka mentioned in the Tales of Atlantis back-ups in The Sub-Mariner. 33. Doctor Strange III#31's letters page states that a figure seen in Doctor III#26/2 was Conan. 34. Hyborian Age, Thoth-Amon, Zamora invoked in recent handbooks and encyclopedias. 35. Deadly Hands of Kung Fu mentions Conan and Kull. 36. Spider-Man Lifeline mentions the Hyborian Age.