You are Right the Name of Bruce Banner in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, it is not Robert Bruce Banner, but, at the end of the Incredible Hulk (2008 movie), we can see, That Bruce is sending back her collar to Betty Ross, and in the letter that he is sending it Clearly says "David B." so i think is mosre than clear that his name in this universe is David Bruce Banner.
yeah David B. or David Bruce Banner is just an alias and shouldnt be counted as his actual name in the MCU. you honestly dont think he would use his real name when sending mail to Betty and whatever. its a name betty knows him by but its not his real name so he can still send the mail with that name as she would still know its from him.
basically just to sum it up David B. is only an alias and isnt his real name. although I do see how you would think that based on the evidence you provided.
yeah I know. I usually do although sometimes it slips my mind. I'm just wondering what is the importance of signing them other than knowing who you are talking to. anyways I know to do that but sometimes it slips my mind and I forget to by accident
personally, I think it's just sad that it has come to this, but it was a question of time. 1) You do not respect it when you are asked to stop editing a page while the discussion is ongoing. 2) you're calling people who have been keeping this site running for years lazy and stubborn - with the subborn part you might even be right, but calling people lazy who spend hours every day here without receiving a single cent for it is very offensive. 3) you were asked to bring your discussion to the forums if you wanted to change the policy, you didn't, instead forcing your way of doing things onto everyone else.
You have been blocked for a week (not by me, I might add), so please take a time out to think about those points - I have told you before that I think you could be a valuable contributor to this site, but you need to learn to respect other people's opinions. if you can do that, you will be a welcome addition to the team.
and you dont think I felt disrespected by you guys? you wouldnt even acknowledge my idea instead you thought it would be good to just throw rules at it and hope something sticks you didnt even give it a chance or even sit down with each other and talk about it. I felt very disrespected about that. leaders need to listen to there people if they have an idea and see what they can do to incorporate it in because if you are a leader and dont listen to your people you could potentially wind up with a riot on your hands and no one wants that. so if you are good leaders then you will listen to what I've been saying and actually take some time (probably a few days) to just sit down and talk about it.
also you guys keep bringing up Compromise but I have yet to see a compromise come from any of you whatsoever you have just been trying to throw rules at me and tell me how my idea is wrong and I dont know what I am talking about and whatever (in otherwords being disrespectful to me) so if you have a compromise lets hear it (I told you this in the other message you sent me but IDK if you saw that part or not) but yeah if you have a compromise lets hear what it is
Lordofninjas1, there waas no compromise because you did not want compromise. We shared how our policies worked, and you frankly told us "No, my way is better, and I'll keep doing it my way," and continued to make the same type of edits that started this whole mess. If you want to compromise, you may need to learn that your way may not be the right way. Otherwise, we'll be right back here sooner or later.
I never said I didnt want to compromise. I was waiting for you guys to come up with a compromise that you guys keep talking about but nothing ever happened. I have always been willing to compromise but you guys have not yet presented a compromise so thats why it SEEMS like I didnt want to compromise even though I did. I even told a couple of you guys that I was willing to compromise and to let me know what you had in mind in the way of compromise at least 2 or 3 different times but no one seemed to pay attention to that part for whatevere reason. I was always willing to compromise I just didnt hear a compromise coming from you guys so I thought you didnt care to compromise after your talk about compromises and such.
also I did not say my way is better in that sense I meant it would be easier and more efficient for EVERYONE not just me and if you want to compromise you guys may need to learn that your ways may not be the right way too and that you may just be making more work and wasting more time for yourselves than you need to. thats what I was trying to get at its much more efficient and less time consuming for EVERYONE to do it the way I proposed not just myself. rules need to be changed every so often (even the governments change laws and rules yearly and sometimes even monthly depending on the rules) so maybe you guys need to get your "house of Congress" if you will together and decide on new and more efficient ways (like the way I keep proposing that keeps getting ignored) to get things to operate because I see pages that have no information and yet you still keep them on here and I thought "Encyclopedias were supposed to have information about a subject" and even if the pages "do exist" why is there no info on it like you guys claim there should be kinda hypocritical if you ask me.
anyways here is what I am trying to get at if you will actually pay attention for the 100th time I've tried tellling you guys this I have always been willing to compromise but you have not yet proposed one so I thought you were just all talk and no action and the rules need to change and constantly change even in Democracies like you guys claim to be. so I await to see what compromise(s) you have in store. and dont just assume I wasnt when I even told you guys that I was willing to compromise multiple times. pay attention when people are saying stuff to you.
Lordofninjas1, I don't know why this isn't clear yet. The changes you propose ARE NOT BETTER. Example: One of your issues was creating pages for the Guardians of the Galaxy characters. When it was pointed out that their names were not set in stone, your suggestion was "We can just make them, and then delete the pages or change the names if they're different. It only takes 30 seconds!"
This site contains a number of interconnected features (such as automatically generating categories, and detailed edit histories) that all functino together. As such, making a change to one part of the puzzle (in this case renaming a page) effects a number of other parts of the site. That is why processes like renaming or deleting pages can take weeks at a time, sometimes months if the page is not a priority.
And to be very frank about the situation, the policies and processes that are in place now have been working just fine for the past 7 years from the time the site was founded until now. The only reason any of this is being questioned is because YOU are demanding change because YOU feel that YOUR way would be an improvement over what we have now. The problem is that you have failed to convince anyone else that your way is right, and don't seem to be able to accept the fact that the website is not bending over backwards to cater to your changes. And it honestly seems quite arrogant that you came to a website, broke site policy, and then procceded to want the policies changed to fall in line with the policy-breaking edits you started with.
To recap, it's not that we are opposed to change in any way, but the change you are currently pushing for does not better the site in any way. Perhaps it would benefit you to learn more about how the site runs instead of coming in and immedietely attempting to change things to a way that you approve of. I've very much grown tired of talking this to death, and I'm really hoping that we can let this subject die now. I'm sure the community would more than welcome you into the fold as a contributing member, but butting heads and crying for unneeded change from day one is not the way to go about it.
I don't believe compromise is possible at this point. Lordofninjas1 insists that we consider these new suggestions, which we have, and many of us have rejected the proposals. Case closed.
As far as feeling "disrespected", we'll you've brought it on yourself Lordofninjas1. You instigated an edit war and proceeded to call fellow contributors "stupid" and "stubborn", among several other derogatory comments. At that point you lost any argument you might have had. Nobody is going to respect you after the behaviour you've been demonstrating, and very few will tolerate it for long.
@Artful Dodger you are incorrect about #4 you have basically NO information on there whatsoever I mean yes you have trivia but I mean does that honestly really count as actual information? I dont think so.
@Warblade: you have not considered them even though you say you have. and I am willing to see what compromises you have to see if I will change I keep telling you I am open to compromise what are you not getting about that? well you guys started disrespecting me first so I thought I would show you guys how it felt to be disrespected.
@Spencerz: you are still going with that? self generated categories... ok well if a page is deleted those categories no longer exist and then when a new page is added it gets whatever categories it gets,,, there that problem is solved. detailed edit histories... what is detailed about them? all it is is it says "this person made this edit at this time and doing this" thats as detailed as they get so that shouldnt be a problem... there that problem solved. so with that you have no argument try again if you want though. I have failed to convince you or you are just not willing to be convinced? its like hypnosis you cant be hypnotised unless you are willing to be hypnotised so for sake of argument are you even willing to be hypnotised? I dont expect the site to "bend over backwards" for me as you put it its not like I am asking you to change the whole layout and the way you do everything I am just asking for ONE simple change to be made to ONE simple thing I dont see how that can be any clearer. no I think you guys are opposed to change and the thing I am asking for will better the site you just have to look at it and see how it will which you obviously havent done. I know how the site runs so that part of the argument is invalid. its the way I and many other people would approve of as well I just havent mentioned the other people even though I know that they do exist. I'm gettting tired of talking about it too and I dont think this will die for a while still unless you guys start seeing and understanding my side of it which you continuously fail to do. I am a contributing member and I am only butting heads because some of the rules are things to butt heads about as they make no logical sense to be here on this site and I am trying to get them to make logical sense. and how do you know its unneeded change? for all you know it could be needed and you are just not willing to see how or why its needed
general consensus of who you and only you? yeah I never saw you guys ever talk about it and I checked the recent update things alot and I know you cant do private messages on here so I would have seen it. you came to no consensus try again. and ive been trying to be polite but it felt to me like you werent being polite to me so I wanted to show you what it felt like. doesnt feel good does it? didnt think so.
general consensus of who you and only you? yeah I never saw you guys ever talk about it and I checked the recent update things alot and I know you cant do private messages on here so I would have seen it. you came to no consensus try again. and ive been trying to be polite but it felt to me like you werent being polite to me so I wanted to show you what it felt like. doesnt feel good does it? didnt think so.
ok. let me put it in terms so simple a newborn can understand them. 1) put the characters names on the Guardians of the Galaxy page under main characters. 2) DO NOT make pages for them (thats partially been this argument if you noticed I stopped making pages for the characters and just put there names under the thing) 3) if a characters name happens to change (its not very likely but if it does) BEFORE making the page to put whatever information we have for it on there go to the character list and change the name of the character there (that takes like 30 seconds I know i've done stuff like that before) then link it to the page made for it so the page name doesnt have to be changed by the admins or whatever 4) put all the info we have for the character on there.
also what I was trying to get at is if the INFORMATION was wrong you simply go onto the page remove the bad info and replace it with the good. no changing of names or anything that Admins would have to do its something anyone can do to just go onto a page and delete words and then add new words thats all it is.
if for whatever reason a characters name is changed after we have a page established for them (like I said before not very likely to happen as you guys use the Super Hero name for the characters and Rocket Raccoon is Rocket Raccoons super name, Groot is Groots super name, and Gamora is Gamoras super name) so its very unlikely to near impossible that you would ever have to change the names of those characters pages. I also dont see what would be a big deal as you use super names and Star-Lord and Drax are both the super names and not the human names (you guys put the human names in the little template thingy so that is easily changable if for whatever reason there human name gets changed).
also just so you dont keep yelling at me about it after its been settled for a while now but you still insist on bringing it up and not seeing what I am proposing I apologize for "vandalizing" the pages and whatever. I do not see what is so difficult about what I have just stated in the above paragraphs in this comment its worded so simply a newborn could understand and work with it its even put in a step by step format to make it even more understandable. I see no problem with what I have said and I have covered all the problems that you have mentioned that you might have. so that way we are all happy. and no Trivia/Notes dont count as Information its more of just little factoids that exist out of universe so it wouldnt count towards actual information to you guys.
and please for the millionth time dont just throw rules at this and expect them to stick actually sit there and talk to each other and think "hmmm yes this will work" or "maybe itll work if we do it this way" or if you find some change or compromise over this as I keep saying go ahead and let me hear the compromise as ive told you guys for the 6th time now I am always willing to compromise but you have not yet given me ANY compromise to work with and then you get all mad at me when you cant come up with one and whatever.
also notice I am not purposely calling you names or insulting you in any way I am just merely pointing out things that have happened that you have seemed to not notice or not care about or anything. my plan is good, itll work, at least give it a shot and dont shoot it down, cant hurt you to at least try.
LoveWaffle would you please stop with the sarcasm/ See what I mean thing its getting annoying and you have already been asked by someone else to stop (someone in more higher authority than me I might add) if you dont have something to contribute to my posts other than annoyance and stuff that you say to I am guessing try to get me rebanned for some reason please stop posting. again you are getting annoying and someone in higher authority than me has already asked you to stop so please stop. if you would like to continue posting on here please actually comment with something like your thoughts on what I said instead of being annoying and trying to get me into trouble again.
I am not trying to be rude but I mean seriously you were already told to stop and you didnt listen (doesnt show very highly for the Wiki either I might add) so please stop.
the discussion has run its course. Several admins (3 in this thread alone) and several users have spoken out against your suggested policy change. no one but you has spoken out for it. if you want to adhere to democratic structures, that decision seems pretty clear cut. can we move on now?
and btw, no one has suggested blocking you again. if you adhere to the decision that has been made, there's no reason to. as i've told you before, you bring a lot of energy to the site and personally, I think you could be a valuable contributor, but please just let this go.
sigh* can you give me a legitimate reason why you think it wont work other than "it doesnt follow our rules and such" because that kinda seems like you dont even want to try to work with it and see what it can do for you, in other words it sounds like a cop out.
and I never said anyone was suggesting blocking me again I was saying that they could consider blocking me again if LoveWaffle didnt stop with his trolling clearly designed to get me into trouble again (again doesnt shine too highly for the wiki after he was already asked to stop).
also you keep saying Compromise and I keep saying I am willing to do so but you guys keep saying that I am unwilling to compromise even though I told you point blank multiple times. so if we could come to a compromise to this I think it would be great.
they havent really spoken out they just used the cop out "it doesnt follow our rules so we arent even going to try" thats not really speaking out. also if you see in other posts in the talk page and such most of them were agreeing with me that the changes to the page needed to happen. just saying.
and I have been trying to be a valuable contributor but the rules prevent you from seeing the value in my controbutions. and if you notice I have changed what I have been fighting for since this whole thing started. again just saying.
I want answers to my above questions and again not the cop out "it doesnt follow the way we want to supposedly do things so we arent even going to try it" and all the other stuff. its not going to hurt anything and itll work better than what you already have in place (trust me I've done the math and work and whatever to figure it out and it will work better for you than what you have right now).
again I dont see the problem with just putting Names that Marvel themselves confirmed to be in the film in the characters list (many other people agreed with me on this point so you cant say that I was alone in this because I'm not). you guys keep telling me that you use the hero names for the articles well there hero names are Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Gamora, Star-Lord, and Drax the destroyer so those will be the article name since it follows your rules of naming the article with the hero name which those are. then when we get information about the specific character or information about the movie we simply create the page and/or update the page with info. and again if the information is inaccurate or whatever just have someone go in and delete the bad information and replace it with correct information (again I continue to use the Revised Edition Encyclopedias and such that do exist... in other words encyclopedias revise and change information that they previously had wrong or whatever) so your argument of "this is an encyclopedia" is still adheared to with that explanation. so its not looking too good for your arguments now is it?
seriously its not going to hurt to just put names on there for right now and then update them as info comes out. it doesnt take a lot of work or a lot of time (and before you go on a tangent about renaming I never even said that you had to I gave you names that adheared to your naming rules for this site so it doesnt need to be renamed so I have no idea where you even got that I was arguing for that in the first place) seriously though all it is is "oh ok the news said something or Marvel Said something or whatever" (then you go onto the page or create the page or whatever [copying and pasting the template from another would be easier then just delete the inaccurate info and whatever and its a lot faster] and then spend literally like 30 seconds to a minutes just typing in information that marvel has just announced and then update and/or revise the page as needed). I dont see what is so bad with doing that and I've disproven all the arguments I have seen against this so you really need to come up with a good argument to fight against it other than your cop outs and lame arguments based on absolutely nothing I previously said (honestly I saw arguments for renaming and all other sorts of stuff and I was never arguing for any renaming so again I have no idea where you got that). so yeah.
again I did all the work and such to prove that it will be more benificial for the site to do as I proposed and I have provided arguments that adhear to your rules here so you cant use the cop out "its not the way we supposedly want to do things" or "itll take too much time or whatever" both of which I have disproven multiple times and shown how it follows your rules and wont take a lot of time. so your arguments are just wasting your breath because I already disproved them a long time ago. so if you have something good and not a cop out or whatever I would like to hear it. and again contrary to whatever you may believe or think you may believe I am willing to compromise (I've told you guys that countless times already and still nothing has happened) (and besides that I have made a compromise it follows your rules and I lost some of what I was arguing for in the beginning [go back to the very beginning and read all the discussions thourougly and you will see that it has changed so I have lost some stuff for the compromise to work and you guys are losing the "way you supposedly do things"]) so LoveWaffle or whoever said thats what a compromise is there I just proved how its a compromise.
so in conclusion I have seriously just disproven all the arguments you have used against me multiple times (but especially this time) so if you want to try again and see if you can say something that may make me change my mind or if you say something that is a compromise then I will be wanting to hear from you (again I just disproved all your arguments and shown how it does follow your rules even though it doesnt seem like it does) so yeah. try again. not trying to be rude or anything but I do speak the truth and you know it as well as I do. just saying.
you are being rude. you show little respect for this site, its decision processes as well as its contributors. a decision has been taken. people will not spend hours going over the same points again and again with you. there is one, and just one thing for you to do: move on. if you cannot move onto another field of work on this site, then please move on to another site where maybe you'll be appreciated more.
I'm not purposely trying to be rude you guys not listening to me and trying to use excuses is making me rude because I feel that you guys are being rude to me and so I am showing you how it feels to have someone be rude to you.
I hold this site in high respect I am not trying to be disrespectful or anything but you guys are being disrespectful to me so I am showing you disrespect back.
I also respect the contributers but again they dont respect me.
a decision has been taken with you guys being rude to me and not listening to me so it doesnt count.
and I will not spend hours going over the same logical and helpful points again and again with you (it should be pretty simple as to what I am asking but you guys are blowing it out of proportion and not understanding).
how do you know that moving on is the only thing that I can do? I have worked on other pages and such on this site as well and done basically the same thing I've been doing all along and you guys are ok with all the other stuff I've done and its the same thing I've done here so whats so different? and I am appreciated you are just making it hard on yourselves to appreciate me even though this entire time I've been trying to be helpful.
Just because something is "confirmed" still does not mean that it will happen. Hold off on the Guardians of the Galaxy characters for a while; considering we know nothing about them other than their names (and even those could be changed for all we know). There is no point in creating assumption pages (that aren't even in the correct template, not to mention accompanied with sloppy looking images) this early. The same can be said for The Winter Soldier, Mandarin, etc. Mandarin may be the reported villain as of now, but I recall not too far back when the "reported" villain for The Dark Knight Rises was Hugo Strange. And look how that turned out. Plus, we still have TWO WHOLE YEARS to go until GOTG is released, so just wait a liiiiiiitle bit more. After so many people have told you this, I find it nearly redundant to even inform you as well; however, I am an admin on here, so I suppose it is my duty. Also, please do not upload images of the characters that aren't even needed, especially not if they are sloppily created in Microsoft Paint like yours were.
The short and sweet version: Be patient on the edits of speculation, because they are just that-speculation.
well you are right and wrong. Mandarin is confirmed and the film is almost done filming WITH the Mandarin in it. and we do know that Winter Soldier will for sure be in the film (he is in the damn title) at least make a page for him and if it does turn out that it is Bucky just port it over to that page you guys do that all the time so it shouldnt be a problem. and those "Sloppy" images are the only images we have of them for that universe at this point in time. and I know that just because something is confirmed doesnt mean that it will happen but still for now there should be information for it until it has been said otherwise and I dont think there names will change (at least not the super names). I put it in the exact template that you have for all the other Earth-199999 movies but it doesnt seem to work. and besides that a REPORTED and CONFIRMED villain are two completely different things. Reported is basically the same thing as saying Rumored just for clarification. well we still have a WHOLE TWO YEARS before Captain America: Winter Soldier is coming out and you guys are accepting the information for that and whatever. well again those Microsoft paint images I am posting are the ONLY images we have of them in that universe and its not speculation as Kevin Feige and other Marvel employees and such are working on the movie and if they are working on the movie dont you thing they would know a lot more about it than you think you do or at least what you are willing to admit to? its not Speculation Marvel themselves have said that it is happening as of now and that those are the confirmed characters. dont believe me look up footage from Comic-Con 2012 and thats where they confirm it. and again if Marvel/Kevin Feige is creating the movie dont you think they would know what is happening with it?
I was merely using Mandarin as an example. We still aren't sure of his real name, are we? And do we know anything about him? How do his powers work? Does he have magical rings? Does he have technologically based rings? Does he not even have rings? Seriously, it's pointless to create a page about him just yet. Sure, he's confirmed, and definitely in the film. But we know next to nothing about him, so why waste your time pretending like we do?
As for the Winter Soldier, granted, everyone can say that it's 99.9% Bucky. But apparently unlike you, we can all patiently wait for the OK first. You may think page moving is an easy thing, but you're not the one having to do the work. I am, and it's not always that easy at all. Why purposefully create a page with the mindset "if the title's wrong, oh well!"?
As for the Guardians of the Galaxy, you edited those photos with Paint (I'm assuming) and it just looks sooo sloppy. Maybe if they were made into a nice .png file, each individually, they wouldn't look too bad on the film page. But in the same case as Mandarin, we know nothing about these characters yet to create their own pages yet. For all we know one of them could be a villain in the film, but hey, they'd still be in it. For all we know, they could have new names for the film (ex: Star-Lord simply being Star-Lord, not Peter Quill). They aren't that relatively known to the general public, and, if one simple change like so was needed for whatever various reason, it wouldn't be too surprising if that change was made. Again, there is no need for the creation of those character pages yet, nor to add those characters in the appearances yet. Adding that it is supposedly them in the notes section, along with an image seems harmless however. (The image named below works just fine.)
As for your 0.jpg file that you keep uploading, I deleted it because it was a duplicate of the file "Guardians of the Galaxy (Earth-199999).jpg". But in the end, seriously, just be patient like the rest of us for ultimately all the rest of the questions we as the fans may have for now. (PS, please try and space out your long replies when needed like I did here, that makes it soooo much easier to read and decipher. Thanks.)
fyi Mandarin is the name they are using, yes he has the Rings,They are tech based but differently than in the comics its all in official interviews with the creators and others look them up if you want. and we do know that he will be more of a background character than a front stage villain. Winter Soldier still needs a page and besides that Marvel is in talks with the same actor who played Bucky to be Winter Soldier and as far as I know he has accepted. and how can you say its SUPPOSEDLY them you've obviously read Guardians of the Galaxy you know what they look like you know they dont look any different so whats all this SUPPOSEDLY crap going on about it?
yeah so we still have some information about them and besides that Ive seen pages on here that have absolutely no information on them whatsoever except a name and an earth they take place on and a picture THATS IT and yet you decide that NO information is better than some information that makes no sense. seriously there are pages that just have name earth and picture and everything else just says no information available or whatever and these are pages that are on here yet they havent been deleted or gotten rid of so why do you get rid of pages that have at least some info but apparently not enough for your taste?
well I am right though and you know that I am. and besides anyways we still have information that we can put in and again if there are pages that have no information on them wouldnt your Wiki Bots and whatever auto delete them anyways as they have no information and they dont follow your "set" rules for pages as they have to have information. really hypocritical if you ask me.
We're not using bots. We're having to manually clean up every little mess you create.
And there is no hypocrisy. We've been consistent in trying to point out to you that this is a wiki, as well as cleaning up your additions to meet wiki standards. You appear to have mistaken it for something entirely different.
no I understand that I need to clean up the pictures and whatever. that I dont have a problem with (except that I dont know how to do that).
what I dont understand and what you dont seem to be understanding me mentioning is the fact that we have all this information that is legit, confirmed by the creators, etc. and while it may not be "enough" as you put it it is still information none the less and it should be qualified to be on the wiki as it is true evidence that has been proven by the creators.
and again as I continuously say that you cant seem to get through your thick head put the info on there if for whatever reason it turns out to be different then change it. encyclopedias and such are changing constantly as new information and stuff has been released. so why not do the same thing here. again put the info and if for whatever reason they do decide to change it its a simple change to just highlight a bit of info and click Cut and Paste or Delete or whatever and just as easy to type in new information as it becomes available.
and whether you like it or not Mandarin has been confirmed and there is enough evidence as you put it to make a page for him. you just have to go looking for the information which you seem to refuse to do. its a simple search for information that is easily accessable to the public so why withhold information that everyone knows to be factual? and besides that the pages need to appear on the Earth-199999 page they have been confirmed there is multiple amounts of evidence to support this as well as a bunch of info for the characters and such.
you guys seriously should do as I say because I am trying to be helpful and telling you things that you apparently refuse to search for for yourself but is out there and available to the public. so why hold back info that everyone already knows? its like getting caught in a lie, everyone knows that you lied and yet you refuse to admit it as it would hurt your reputation or whatever you are thinking it might do.
your standards and whatever are far too high and your rules make no sense. hardly any other wikis have the same rules that you have and you know what they are working just fine and maybe even better than you because they actually put even the simplest amount of info up since everyone knows about it.
for example Bulbapedia put up info for a couple new gym leaders in the Unova region a little while ago and only had the character name, a picture and the type of pokemon that they used. no list of pokemon, no name of the city, no gym order, no nothing just a name a pic and some simple information and you know what... as more information became available they continued to update it and I bet that if Nintendo had said that they were no longer going to use that character due to coding limitations or whatever Bulbapedia would have simply deleted the page and updated it with the new info.
thats just one example there are many more out there I can guarantee you this so why do you refuse to be more user friendly and such.
and fyi they have had the same problems with everyone updating everything and making fan pages and everything just like you have so dont use that as an argument.
hi there. i can see quite a few people have talked to you about this, but let me ask you as an admin: please stop adding pages for the guardians of the galaxy, both for the team and for individual characters. So far, there is no valid confirmation on anything yet - we don't know for certain what the names of the characters will be and we certainly don't know whether this movie will take place in the same universe as most of the marvel films. if you have information you want to add, do it to the Guardians of the Galaxy (film) page, please.
well actually we do have all of that information as Kevin Feige and the other people who work for Marvel and who are working on the movie said that it is taking place in Earth-199999 and that the cast will be Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Gamora, Drax, and Star-Lord they said so at Comic-Con 2012. if you dont believe me look up footage for it and it will prove to you that it has been stated that that is what is happening. they are creating the damn movie so they should know what is going on with it a lot more than you do or at least think you do. just thought I would let you know IDK where you get your information or whatever but I can definitely tell you that the information you have been getting is wrong.
there's no need to get angry about his. fact is: the info we have is before the fact. the movie isn't being made yet. things can change. this site is an encyclopedia, not a fanzine. which means we collect facts. what us, not what could be.
ummm you are wrong again. Kevin Feige and the other Marvel employees including Robert Downey Jr said SPECIFICALLY that Iron Man 3 was more than half way done filming at Comic-Con 2012. again they are the actors and creators in the film dont you think they would know what was going on with it? hell they even had some of the film footage for Iron Man 3 be shown at Comic-Con 2012. yes things can change things change all the time in daily life. but I say at least put the information we know of now on there and if its wrong or gets updated later just go onto the page and update it what is so wrong with that? as I told another admin you guys have pages on here that have NO information on them whatsoever other than the name earth and Picture and all the other sections say No info available. so you allow No information as opposed to SOME information that can be EASILY updated or deleted as time goes on? that doesnt make any sense to me whatsoever.
and you are acting as though they are going to take the Guardians movie and change it up so much that they put the X-Men as the main villian and Iron Man as a supporting cast. NO Marvel doesnt change too awful much and you know that as well as I do so just make the pages and then update it as time goes on. its easy, simple, and everyone is happy.
True, our standards are high. For a reason. I realize that you truly do not see the distinction between proven fact, speculation and work in progress. I'm not going to explain things over and over again if all you're going to do is insult our admins and our policies. You've stated your case. We've made our decision. It's time to move on. And for the future: please be more mindful of your tone. You joined this site a few days ago. Give some respect to the people who have been doing this for years.
no I know the exact distinction between proven fact, speculation, and work in progress. I believe that it is you that doesnt understand it. I am not meaning to insult you guys but you know that it is true and you definitely need to do something about it. you are just making things much more difficult than they need to be. yes I have stated my cause and you have only made your descision based on YOUR rules and YOUR thoughts and never considered anything else you are just like hey its the rules and even though we know the rule is stupid and it should be changed we arent going to just to piss people off and whatever because we are so set in our ways that we dont care about anything else. I will move on when the rules are changed and you guys make the PROPER edits that I have been saying from the beginning but again you are far too stubborn and set in your ways to listen. and are you really going to pull the "Higher Authority" card on me? yeah not going to work. I have made other Authority figures realize the error of there ways and such and while I do respect authority I do hate that they dont listen to me because they think that I am unimportant and they are too set in there ways to realize any other possibility that would work A LOT easier than what they currently have and whatever.
I am just saying actually listen to what I have to say and actually see it in a different way than what you do and then you will see what to do and why its important.
and to clarify it is PROVEN FACT by Marvel the creators that there is currently going to be a Guardians of the Galaxy Movie, the Guardians of the Galaxy Movie will contain Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Gamora, Star-Lord, and Drax and that it will be set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. it is SPECULATED that Thanos will be the villain in the movie as he is there villain in the comics. and the movie itself is a WORK IN PROGRESS. you have to have certain things established before you make a film trust me I am studying film and directing and such for college and whatever so I should know what I am talking about. you have to have a character list, story, and crew set up before you can even begin with making the movie. they have the characters (the 2008 Guardians), they havent revealed the Story yet but I am assuming (like everyone else is) that it is the Thanos Imperitive (it would make sense) and they have people writing a script with the already established characters and plot points in mind and such. so unless they decide to do something completely different than what they already have set up (like not using the 2008 cast and instead going with the other one) we have the characters established and officially stated by Marvel who are the creators. and this establishment and confirmation is even on Marvels own website itself along with many news websites and even such things as IGN, and Wikipedia just to name a couple.
so yeah I think I have made my point. if you dont see what I am trying to say then there has to be something wrong here.
I'm listening. I'm just not hearing anything except for "I am right and all of you are wrong". That's not how this works. If everyone else thinks you're wrong, then maybe you are. At least four regular contributors to this site have given you their arguments on all three movies and all you have to refute them is: "you're wrong?!?" No one pulled higher authority - it's a question of respect and community. if you want things to be different, try and convince us. But shouting at us isn't going to change anything.
And btw - watch the four-letter words. this is a kid-friendly site.
except that I am right and you are just too set in your ways to see that I clearly explained my reasonings for saying this and so you dont see how you could possibly be wrong. well I can reverse that right back at you guys just because everyone thinks I am wrong doesnt mean that I am nor does all of you guys thinking that you are right doesnt mean that you are. just because you may think YOU are right doesnt mean that you are. as I said earlier I dont have just the You're wrong argument as a refuttle I clearly explain WHY I think you are wrong and such but you obviously dont see that part. well you said that you have been here longer than me and you are an Admin so technically that is pulling the higher authority card. I do respect you guys but apparently you dont respect me and the other contributors.
I have been truing to convince you guys to make things different but again you only see it as our way is right and everyone else is wrong so shouting is the only way that I can get it through your thick skulls.
and just for clarification I don't believe I typed any bad words at least not purposely it may have been a typo and I also just re-read my posts and it didnt have any cursing in there so could you please tell me which "four-letter words" you are talking about?
it is proven fact that marvel is working on a movie, not that there will be one. At their present state of planning (which is nowhere, since there's not even a script yet), it will include the characters mentioned. That's exactly what it says on our page for the movie. Pages for the characters aren't warranted because they don't exist yet. They don't have names, they don't have a universe desigation (since we don't know whether the movie will take place in the same universe as let's say the Avengers).
you mean Piss? thats not a bad word. I know kids under the age of 10 who say that all the time.
yes it is proven fact that the movie is being worked on thats not what I am arguing I agree that the movie is being worked on. they are writing a script for it from what I have been hearing and reading so yeah. except that the characters kinda do exist as Marvel has said that those characters will be in there and so they now exist. they do have names Rocket Raccoon, Star-Lord, Groot, Gamora, and Drax the Destroyer. they do have a univers designation Earth-199999 its all mentioned by Kevin Feige and some other Marvel employees at Comic-Con 2012. go watch the footage and you will see what I am talking about.
ok I apologize for saying that even though its not a bad word. ok so basically this is all that I have been asking for from the beginning. Put Star-Lord, Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Gamora, and Drax the Destroyer on the official Guardians of the Galaxy Movie page. and then when there names and such become available just update it. Rocket Raccoon shouldnt be a problem at all as his real name is Rocket Raccoon so he shouldnt be a problem, same with Groot his real name is Groot and the same goes for Gamora as Gamora is her real name so the names for those 3 shouldnt be a problem. now what I am saying to do is make the Drax and Star-Lord Pages along with these and just update the names and such when they become available.
ok as for my other problems that might already be solved my whole argument about Iron Man 3 was simply to have Mandarin put on the Earth-199999 page that you guys have as a villain as he has not yet been put on the list. I dont think that would be a problem at all as there is at least some information about the Iron Man 3 Mandarin.
then this one I know is simple just update the Fandral 199999 page to say that Zachary Levi is playing him in Thor the Dark World
and finally just have a Winter Soldier Page and if it turns out that Bucky is Winter Soldier (IDK if I told you this but the same actor is in talks to do it and in the Captain America 1 Audio Commentary it says that when bucky falls from the train he doesnt die) to just port it over to his page. thats basically what all this arguing has been about.
also just for confirmation sake I took the liberty of finding this on Youtube
start paying attention at 2:00 in the video and they announce the team for the movie at 2:34 so yeah and then if you keep watching it leads into some Ant-Man stuff and some other stuff. but anyways this video confirms that this is the team that they are using as of current.
I'm going to say this one last time: We are an encyclopedia. We report what is. The characters from those movies do notexist yet. They will exist when he movies come out. That's when they get pages. Not before.
Again: We are not a fanzine. It is neither our motivation nor our strength to be the first to report something. What we do is provide reliable info that has been confirmed by our editors. Not hearsay. not quotes from interviews and journalistic articles. Our main sources are the marvel products themselves.
If you want to change our policy, bring it up in the forums. That's the proper place. I'm removing your thread in the ask a marvelite section.
yes I understand that you are an encyclopedia and not a fanzine you dont need to keep telling me that. tell me why they dont exist until the movies come out. except everything that I have provided isnt hearsay and I can back it up with things Marvel themselves have said I keep trying to tell you and show you that. even if I do bring it up in the forums you guys are too stubborn and set in your ways to listen anyways and will probably just delete the forum post.
and besides that doesnt apply to this as this isnt a fan thing its not like I am making all this up for a fan fiction or whatever Marvel has actually confirmed that that is the team and thats what the movie is called and all that. again its not a fan thing if Marvel the creators of it have confirmed that its happening. I dont see why you guys are making such a big deal of just making the pages and just updating or deleting the information as it comes in. most other websites and Wikis do this so I dont see what the big deal is. and they are all Encyclopedias just like you claim to be and they still do that so I dont see why you guys insist on making a big deal out of something that is small. again you guys are stubborn and only do what you want and dont care what anyone else thinks even though you know they are right.
Actually it's you that's making a big deal out of something here. You're trying to introduce content that is unacceptable in the main namespace, and you don't seem to want to grasp why people are telling you to stop.
HOW IS IT UNACCEPTABLE? ITS LEGITMATE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE CREATORS OF THE MOVIE THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH IT. JUST PUT THE INFORMATION AND WHATEVER AND THEN I WILL STOP COMPLAINING AGAIN WHY ARE YOU GUYS INSISTING ON MAKING A BIG DEAL OF IT. JUST DO IT AND I WILL STOP.
basically it comes down to this. why do you guys refuse to use the legitimate and confirmed information that has been given to you? its like Tony Stark making the armors you know when he first made the Iron Monger Armor to get back home did he have Ho Yinsen go out to the middle of the forest and get him 3 leaves from one specific tree and a piece of bark from another specific tree and then a section of a rock from one specific stone otherwise there was no possible way that he could get home? no he worked with what he had there which was some metal a welding tool and stuff to ghetto make a simple flame gun and some very ineffective jet boots (yes I am mostly going by the film although I know it is basically the same way in the comics). thats it. he didnt have the Extremis virus, he didnt have the laser beams and repulsor rays and whatever all he had was metal a simple welding tool and some stuff to make a simple weapon that didnt really work all that well thats it.
so why cant you guys be like Tony Stark and use the information that you have been given (that the film is called Guardians of the Galaxy, that the team in the movie is Rocket Raccoon, Gamora, Groot, Star-Lord, and Drax, that it is taking place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and that it is based off the 2008 Guardians comics) why cant you guys work with what you have like Tony did.
and you know what he did later when he had more information and more stuff and whatever he kept upgrading the armor and giving it new materials and new weapons and whatever and even made new armors to fit what he needed but in the end it comes down to this: Tony Stark worked with what he had at that moment and didnt wait for more stuff or sit there and complain to Yinsen that what he had wasnt enough and he needed more. he used what he had at the time to the best of his ability that he could in that specific moment. otherwise he would have never escaped and Iron Man would have never existed, so why cant you guys do the same? thats what I have been trying to ask you guys the entire time but it didnt seem like you were getting it so I used the most simplistic way I could so that I am absolutely sure that you are getting what I am saying.
forgot to add that if the armor didnt work for whatever reason he would have found a way to make it work and then fix all the bugs and whatever at a later point in time. like I said he wouldnt sit there and complain that he didnt have enough he would work and if it didnt work the first time he would have kept trying until it did work. again still using all the same materials.
what they didnt show in the film is the multitude of tries that it most likely took Tony to make the suit. he probably built parts of it and then kept fixing it or rebuilding it until it worked and all that time he was still working with all the same materials and all the same stuff he just found different ways to make things work.
if you spent half the enthusiasm you manage to raise in this question in finding meaningful ways to contribute to this site, you'd make a wonderful contributor, you know?
the reason I deleted the post on the ask a marvelite page was that it doesn't belong there. The page is not called "tell us how to run this site". if you want to discuss policy, go to the forums. There is no guarantee people will agree with you, but that's what a community is about. Compromise, getting along, making decisions together. Because no single one person is he foundation of wisdom that everyone else has waited for to tell them how to do things right. Not me, not you, and no Other single person on this site either.
I do find meaningful ways to contribute to the site. you just cant see how meaningful it is. and I dont care about the ask a marvelite question. as for the forums I know for a fact that people wont agree with me. and yes community is about compromise so why arent you trying to compromise with me about the Guardians of the Galaxy? I've voiced my point and still you have yet to even try and compromise or even say that the information I have been giving you guys is right when it clearly is.
yeah you talk about compromise but I have yet to see you even try to compromise with me. you just keep complaining and say "oh, we need more information" or "oh, we can only use things from one specific thing" that doesnt sound like compromise to me at all. compromise would be something like "ok so we have this information and it may not be enough supposedly but we will see what we can do with it and in return our site will most likely benefit from it" or something like that. I've been very willing to compromise and very willing to be a nice guy and whatever but I have yet to see any of that from you.
Please remember to use templates for the next time you create a page, as well, anytime you are editing an article please remember in this wikia we use an in-universe point of view, we don't write (e.g.) "Star-Lord has been confirmed to be in the Guardians of the Galaxy Movie as the 2009 Guardians have been confirmed for the movie by Marvel" but "Starlord is (...) and a member of the team known as Guardians of the Galaxy, who fought Thanos" or something like that. Thanks, and as this thing about the Guardians just started, I'm asking you to stop creating pages for the characters who may be in the movie.
well its confirmed that they are in the movie by marvel. also if you didnt want pages created for them why put them on the thing? and cant you just fix the articles so that they are "in-universe" instead of just deleting them? and why does it have to be in universe anyways?
Because in this wikia we use an in-universe perspective, we write as these characters "were real", you can check any character's page and you'll notice it's not written "Spider-Man is the superhero created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko for the Amazing Fantasy #15, in 1962" but "Peter Parker was orphaned at the age of six when his parents were killed in an airplane crash overseas. He went to live with his uncle and aunt, Ben and May Parker, in Forest Hills, New York." etc...
You see pages created for character who technically don't exist yet? No. And at least this pages are left if they are properly made, like using templates, in-universe material and good images. Also, we don't use images from sets, concept art or something else when it's about the movies, only footage or promotional art. That's the reason why I had to reverse your edits in Anthony Stark (Earth-199999) and James Rhodes (Earth-199999), we just don't write material based on speculations and/or if it didn't happen yet.
well it has been confirmed that that armor will be used by Iron Man in the film so that shouldnt have been deleted. as for the other things thats all that we have in the way of pictures for them so for now I think that would be good enough until another picture is released. and Marvel again has confirmed that they will be in the movie so they need pages made. also you never answered my question as to why it just cant be fixed to be in universe instead of being deleted. fixing it to make it in universe would work a lot better in my opinion plus it would make editors and such a lot less angry. why only use SPECIFIC images? work with what you have then update it when more information and such is released. again it makes it a lot easier and makes everyone much more happy and such to just leave it there fix what needs to be fixed and then update it as information is released for it. why do you make it so hard on yourself?
I know it was confirmed, but again, you were using speculations, out-universe material and images from the Comic-Con, not actual footage or promotional image. I think a character's section for the next movie should be updated after the movie is released, so it can be properly expanded.
well YOU are the one complaining about it. I think its fine just the way it is and that it shouldnt be deleted. plus I am not very good at editing these things and such and anything I try will get it marked for speedy deletion so I am asking someone that knows what they are doing to fix it so that it wont be marked for speedy deletion. as for the other stuff what is so bad about using promotional images or things shown at Comic-Con it isnt hurting anyone or anything and its the ONLY images we have at this time so it would make sense to use the ONLY materials you currently have and then update it at a later date when something that is "Qualified" to is available. I dont understand what the big problem is about using things from Comic-Con or other such things its just pictures and pictures dont hurt anyone. and besides that all the "Star-Lord is ______________" stuff is already on the Earth-616 one so it doesnt need to be repeated on the other pages since that may not apply to this character. all we have that applies to the character is what is written in the description for him. it seems like wikis have no smarts at all because if they did it shouldnt be a problem what information is put or what pictures are there. and btw there is actual footage FROM COMIC-CON!!! but Marvel has yet to release it to the public. so if we can use actual footage that was shown from Comic-Con what makes pictures or other such things different?
Also, footage (from the movie) is not the same as photo, that pic of that armor is technically out-universe, it's like taking a pic of a Captain America statue and put it just because it's Captain America.
"since that may not apply to this character." That's it, the lack of information to create a page.
People who know what they're doing won't be "fixing it so that it wont be marked for speedy deletion". People who know what they're doing will be marking it for speedy deletion so that the offending articles might be quickly removed.
You're jumping the gun. Your additions are getting reverted and/or deleted. Therefore there is no point for you to keep persisting with this crusade of yours.
what is so wrong with what has been done? I havent killed anyone, caused any bodily harm, threatened anyones life, or anything like that. its just pictures and words that APPLY to the page that it is on. you may not like the way that it is written or whatever but still all the information is there. and Adour where did you get that picture I have NOT seen that picture and I have constantly searched for Mark VIII armor since it was shown and I havent seen anything like that. you probably made it. what lack of information we have plenty of information about it you guys are just too lazy/stupid to admit it and to proud/power hungry to admit that you know I am right.
spelled kneel wrong. also you kinda just did. again I dont see the error in what I did I was trying to be helpful and providing information that you guys obviously want to keep from the public even though they already know it.
and you must be on something because I went to the page you said that Iron Man pic is on just now and I didnt find it. I went through the picture list and its not there and it is also not the main picture either so dont try to make me seem stupid.
well thats strange. I checked it and it wasnt there and then you upload it hoping that I wouldnt notice which I did and now you are trying to make up a lie like you do in the Earth-199999 talk page to get your point right or at least make it seem right even though its not. you have to be lying and recoding it to make it seem like it was uploaded then. so dont try and lie cause I can see right through it.
If you want, you can ask and admin if it's possible to fake records... I dunno, maybe I'm a hacker :O and in this single moment I might be deciphering many binary codes to get to your profile and maliciously write in your profile...... "I am gay" lololololololololololololol it's funny to discuss with you.
well I just find it extremely suspicious how it wasnt there when I first checked it but then as soon as I am about to prove you wrong the earth-199999 Iron Man gallery just HAPPENS to get updated and then the picture just HAPPENS to be there when it wasnt there before.
yes that does say that. HOWEVER, as I said before if you can read the english language which it doesnt seem like you can it wasnt in that gallery when I checked it previous times before and then it just magically appears there after an update to the gallery today during our argument. really suspicious if you ask me.
ok firstly you arent funny, secondly I know you are just trolling so its not going to work, thirdly I am not saying you are doing anything (at least not in the most recent post) so the above post just makes you seem like the retard you seem to be, and finally I'm just saying what I have encountered and that it just seems weird that it happened the way it did. I have however discovered that you have a tendency to lie and troll just to get what you want and whatever and so just by the way it happened it seemed suspicious. now dont be a retard and read this I AM NOT ACCUSING YOU OF POSTING IT ANYWHERE IN THIS PARAGRAPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!