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Spencerz

since you're looking into this, Captain America: Who Won't Wield the Shield Vol 1 1 features a lot of Earth-665 versions of current staffers (at least it appears that way)

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Edited by Spencerz 04:37, January 25, 2013
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- Farlstendoiro
  
  Thanks for the hint - unfortunately I don't have a copy of that collection, so I'd rather not try to alter this without first-hand data. Meaning, I'll probably try to get a copy. -Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 15:01, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
  
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  Another tidbit on this. As mentioned in the note's section of his page, Dave Cockrum has drawn himself into a number of his issues, meaning he likely could use a 616 page.
  
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  Do you know which issues? I'd like to fill in at least part of the template. --Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 18:06, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
  
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  After a bit of searching, I actually found Category:Dave Cockrum/Appearances. No idea if that's complete or not, but it's a start.
  EDIT: Most of the comics in that category have multiple staff members that appear. (I'll link to their entire appearance category).
  
  X-Men Vol 1 98 also has Chris Claremont (which I think may be a typo, I seem to recall there being a 616 version already), Julius Schwartz, and Bonnie Wilford.
  Iron Fist Vol 1 15 also has John Byrne (also a typo I believe) and an unlinked appearance for Cockrum's wife Paty Cockrum.
  X-Men Vol 1 120 has Terry Austin
  
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  Very interesting.
  I haven't checked Iron Fist yet, but I understand X-Men 120 refers to an unnamed bearded guy in foreground, and X-Men 98 refers mostly to bystanders in New York (except for Stan & Jack, who have speaking parts).
  This will require some research before going on, but it's an interesting activity. Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 17:30, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
  
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  Just dropping off some more of these. Master of Kung Fu Vol 1 17 has Al Milgrom, Jim Starlin, and Steve Englehart.
  
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re: earth designations for staff

Darkseid01

Do we really need earth designations for staff? I could see it if the person appears within a story, but otherwise the staff pages are already posted.

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- Farlstendoiro
  
  I agree, thus: As soon as there is an alternate version of an author (like Jack Kirby (Earth-616) appearing in Fantastic Four Vol 1 "as himself"), the author can be moved to "Jack Kirby (Earth-1218)" to make place for a disambiguation page in "Jack Kirby" - which is what I just did with Mike Ploog and intend to do now with Steve Gerber and Val Mayerik - three characters in Man-Thing (film) were purposedly named after these authors. I'll hold my horses about changing the pages of Marvel staff until there's an agreement about this, of course. Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 18:09, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
  
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  We need disambigs for staff? Why not just leave the staff page as the default?
  
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- KalKent
  
  That was my intention with adding move tags to Sol Brodsky and Flo Steinberg, considering those two staff members appeared in What If? #11.
  
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  It just seems to me that adding 'Earth-1218' to all of the staff is a tremendous waste of time and produces no real benefit.
  
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  For all staff, yes, unless they've appeared in a comic which shows alternate versions of them.
  
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  I see it this way: If I look for Termite, there was only one Termite in the Marvel canon, no alternate versions or weird stuff, so Termite redirects to him. If there are several characters using the same name, either in different universes or not, I think the main page should be the disambig. If you want to look for Mike Ploog (Earth-58460), or for "all the Mike Ploogs in the multiverse", there should be a way to find them.
  I agree with you that we shouldn't change the page for, say, author Carl Potts - unless we need to differentiate him from another Carl Potts appearing as a character in a story or movie. However, I insist there are precedents born from a real need like these pages: Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Fred Hembeck... Remember when Dr. Doom kidnapped Stan & Jack? When John Byrne attended to Reed Richards' trial? We should have "John Byrne (Earth-616)".
  Of course, IMHO. This is why we are sensibly discussing this and I'm not changing any other author page. I never thought it would be a big deal, but now that I've seen it, let's reach an agreement. Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 18:29, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
  
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  I don't have a problem with what you are saying. This is the first time I've noticed you doing it and I thought perhaps you were thinking "Gee, wouldn't it be cool to add 1218 to all the staff pages" which seems unnecessary to me.
  
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  OK then. I understand we can safely move only those authors who have namesakes in other universe to same name plus Earth-1218, applied to Mike Ploog - and to KalKent's suggestion for Sol Brodsky per What If? #11. No-one wants to change Carl Potts to Carl Potts (Earth-1218) for there's no need in his case, and I won't change my login to Skippy Farlstendoiro (Earth-1218). Thank you Darkseid01 and KalKent for this very interesting debate. Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 19:15, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
  
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  reply to #9
  
  Farlstendoiro wrote: OK then. I understand we can safely move only those authors who have namesakes in other universe to same name plus Earth-1218, applied to Mike Ploog - and to KalKent's suggestion for Sol Brodsky per What If? #11. No-one wants to change Carl Potts to Carl Potts (Earth-1218) for there's no need in his case, and I won't change my login to Skippy Farlstendoiro (Earth-1218). Thank you Darkseid01 and KalKent for this very interesting debate. Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 19:15, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
  
  Ok I guess, but many creators have appeared in issues somewhere and some sort of disambig would be a good idea. (Where does 1218 designation come from?)
  
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  Earth-1218 is 'our' world, Fumnov, as seen from within the Marvel Universe.
  
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- ADour
  
  And we will have to create desambig pages for the creators of Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, because an alternate reality version of them appeared in the final issue, when they were about to be killed by Deadpool, in revenge for creating him, because previously in the mini-series Deadpool realized he was a work of fiction along the rest of the Marvel Universe, killing all of them. It's hard to explain.
  
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  Fumnov - Yes, I know a number of creators have appeared in the stories, sometimes as an inner joke and sometimes in a more active role. I think all these appearances would lead to that creators' Earth-616 version's article (or whatever universe it is), plus disambig page. E.g., Bobi Chase's cameo in She-Hulk Vol 2 means that Chase exists in Earth-616 (at least as Shulkie's vision or something). Yep, ADour, that's exactly the kind of situation I was talking about. -- Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 20:55, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
  
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  And just to point out, 1218 is the ACTUAL designation given by Marvel themselves (in the letters page for New Exiles #3).
  And even in the Marvel Universe (616) compared to our own, there are some differences when it comes to Marvel Staff, such as Jack Kirby is shown to still be alive (apparently) in Fantastic Four #584.
  
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Fumnov

Fine work on the creator pics. Hopefully most creators can have a picture up one day.

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re: Vic Martinelli (Earth-616) 1.JPG

Darkseid01

What's your source for this image? I'm trying to keep Category:Image Subject Needed empty because there's no reason besides laziness that uploaders do not fill in the Source and Subject fields of the image template so if you haven't filled out the template for this image within a day, I'm deleting it.

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  Done. I'm having trouble with the image templates, by ***'s sake.
  
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  Okay, no problem. Just let me know if you're having trouble with the site. You can even just leave me the source on the message wall and I'll fix it.
  
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Darkseid01

What is your obsession with Uranus Bliss? lol

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  Rofl. I happen to have all the needed info on her and thought about writing an exhaustive article; besides I find she's a funny character. I've done it previously with other minor characters like Silver Sable's mom and a number of What The--?! people like this guy, this other guy, this girl and (per your nickname you'll like the next one) this-guy-why-does-he-have-nine-appearances. Thanks for monitoring my activity and giving me a much-needed laugh! Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 18:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
  
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  Leave Uranus alone! :P
  
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  I heed to your will oh Lord Darkseid01. Let's look for someone other target. Ling McPherson? Igron maybe? Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 18:14, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
  
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  Ling McPherson
  
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re: source please

Darkseid01

What's your source for Endotherm (Earth-616) 1.JPG? Please remember to source your images. If you are unaware of the source, please do not upload it to the wiki.

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re: Image template is still messed up

Darkseid01

Hi. I'm still having a problem with your uploads. Can you tell me exactly how you are doing them? It's great that you are filling out the template, but somehow two copies of the template are being saved to the file, and that messes up the categories because the system only looks at the second blank one. You are doing all that work filling out the template for nothing.

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re: Image Template

Darkseid01

Hi. When you upload an image, please ensure that the image is not saved with two copies of the image template. It messes up the categories. Thanks.

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CHAT FEST

Nitsuj77

Please join us for the new WEEKLY CHAT FESTS!!!!! Every Saturday we will be having a CHAT FEST!!!! This weeks will be the 3RD WEEKLY CHAT FEST!!!!! Thank you for your time.

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